Michi From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 26 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2989 times:
The A/C might have been a Grumman E-2C Hawkeye. You hear the props reverse after landing. The Hawkeye has two pilot seats next each other in front. So the pilot not flying was propably holding the camera.
Okie73 From United States, joined Mar 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2909 times:
Quoting Michi (Reply 1): The A/C might have been a Grumman E-2C Hawkeye. You hear the props reverse after landing.
May have been an E-2, but the props are not reversing. On every carrier landing, the pilot goes to full power on touchdown in case the hook doesn't catch a wire.
Michi From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 26 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2782 times:
Thanks for correcting me, Okie73.
Of course they use full power after touchdown until stopped with the wire. Thats what I meant before as well. I guess my mind tricked me. Thinking of full power, but describing a landing .
LMP737 From United States, joined May 2002, 3523 posts, RR: 14 Reply 5, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2441 times:
In a night landing I'm going to guess it's a camera mounted in the cockpit. The hearts of most Navy aircrew are going to be beating to hard during night traps for them to be holding a camera.
Well, lots of stupid things people do to get a good picture or video. I knew a guy (door gunner) who would fly in Iraq on raids sitting in the window videotaping rather than sitting behind his weapon at the ready. I always asked to not fly in his section, I wanted a wingman who was actually watching my back rather than taping it.
LMP737 From United States, joined May 2002, 3523 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2054 times:
Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 9): Well, lots of stupid things people do to get a good picture or video. I knew a guy (door gunner) who would fly in Iraq on raids sitting in the window videotaping rather than sitting behind his weapon at the ready. I always asked to not fly in his section, I wanted a wingman who was actually watching my back rather than taping it.
Some people think they're the next Steven Spielberg I guess.
SlamClick From United States, joined Nov 2003, 9910 posts, RR: 72 Reply 11, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2053 times:
I've owned or built a couple of different camera mounts over the years. Clamp them onto some convenient surface, out of the way and let them roll.
Okay, watched the vid. Hand held, but rather nicely. But if anyone could make that approach and landing while peeking through a viewfinder and flying with one hand I salute them! Other occupant of plane was camera person.
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AAR90 From United States, joined Jan 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 41 Reply 12, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1890 times:
Quoting Okie73 (Reply 2): On every carrier landing, the pilot goes to full power on touchdown in case the hook doesn't catch a wire.
Nope. Not E2/C2 dudes. Sorry.
Quoting LMP737 (Reply 5): In a night landing I'm going to guess it's a camera mounted in the cockpit. The hearts of most Navy aircrew are going to be beating to hard during night traps for them to be holding a camera.
My heart was always slower at night than during the day. Tried a full-roll series of shots using Canon AE1 w/autowinder way-back-when, but couldn't get comfortable holding it with one hand and doing my co-pilot duties at the same time (the right seat guy is NOT just sitting there folks). I'm guessing a cheap mount based upon the lack of movement prior to engagement, type of movement after engagement and viewfinder/picture framing... NOT the normal sight-picture of the right seat guy.
Quoting SlamClick (Reply 11): Other occupant of plane was camera person.
Perhaps, but doubtful he/she was actually holding the camera throughout. With today's ultra-small systems, probably a cheap (home-made?) camera mount attached to left shoulder/head rest area of right seat. FWIW, E2/C2 acft are NOT authorized for right seat pilot flying during CV operations. MUST be the left seat flying.
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Daveflys0509 From United States, joined Apr 2005, 78 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1885 times:
Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 4): Could also be a C-2 Greyhound, although I am not sure those guys do many night traps.
You're right.. C-2's do not do night traps anymore. They used to but that stopped around 8 years ago. The COD isn't allowed to carry passengers are night, so there is no need to put hours on an aging airframe by doing night traps and keeping aircrews proficient to do night CV ops.
And I'll back up what AAR90 said, E2/C2 guys don't go to full power at touchdown since the power is instantaneous from the props. You probably heard that Hawkeye in the video going into reverse to get out of the wire.
TheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 2418 posts, RR: 18 Reply 16, posted (2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1748 times:
With all the rules in place in military flying, is it actually allowed to film military missions and bring them online on youtube as a pilot? Seems pretty hard to believe for me...
SlamClick From United States, joined Nov 2003, 9910 posts, RR: 72 Reply 17, posted (2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1607 times:
Quoting AAR90 (Reply 12): doubtful he/she was actually holding the camera throughout.
Watch it again. In about the last two seconds the camera swings to the right, then down to the panel. If that was a mount it behaved very strangely. It looked more like the action of a human [left] arm holding the camera under the deceleration as the plane came to a stop, or even backed up.
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AAR90 From United States, joined Jan 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 41 Reply 18, posted (2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1576 times:
Quoting LMP737 (Reply 14): That makes you a genetic anonomaly AAR.
Yep. NAMI threw out my data in one of their studies because I was the only one who's pulse/BP was LOWER during night traps than during day traps.
Quoting SlamClick (Reply 17): Watch it again. In about the last two seconds the camera swings to the right, then down to the panel. If that was a mount it behaved very strangely. It looked more like the action of a human [left] arm holding the camera under the deceleration as the plane came to a stop, or even backed up.
Agree on the movement, but the positioning is extremely unnatural even for a left-handed pilot. OTOH, if mounted by a flexible articulated (we used to call them "gooseneck") arm, it would behave similarly and could be mounted to the left shoulder/head area of the seat. Backing up an E2/C2 does NOT create much g-force at all. Deceleration is much more likely.
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Blackbird From United States, joined Oct 1999, 3334 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1573 times:
AAR90,
Quote: Yep. NAMI threw out my data in one of their studies because I was the only one who's pulse/BP was LOWER during night traps than during day traps.
Yeah that is quite unusual considering the stress of night-time carrier landings. Do you feel more calm at night than during day, do you feel more alert at night or day?
Dragon6172 From United States, joined Jul 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1569 times:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kldqhZ3ENhc
Different aircraft, not much different movement. Must be some crappy "mounts" they are selling. Not sure what is so unnatural about the movement of the camera in the thread starters video.
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